Curse

Mordakai · Apr 26, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

these things are signs of accomplisments, making them easier for people who barely play cheapens what it is. I dont really care if you dont like that, you dont have the time to spend to get soemthing, I shouldt have to suffer for that, and neither should all the other people that play the game more then you

We obviously have different ideas of what makes the game "fun", but whatever.

Take all this with a grain of salt. Until I actually see Ectos drop like Hardened Carapaces, I think everyone's putting the cart before the horse. (in other words, The Sky May Not be Falling)

Lady Erighan · Apr 26, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Kinda sucks. Didn't even realize this same information was in the previous Prima guide. I just can't believe they made the same mistake twice; kinda sad really. I hope an undate (or even Factions) will ultimately fix this.

Diablo™ · Apr 26, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

All we have here are speculations. Buf if ectos really do become cheap, I may be slightly dissappointed (as I worked hard for mine), but I'll adapt and come to understand it from the standpoint of casual, "Modest" players. Not Ub3r "Hardcore" farmers like us.... nor those "Lazy" swindling scamming swines that doesn't deserve to wear a fissure, but casual, modest players who just want to enjoy the game. I believe this change in ecto drop (if its true at all...) is a target benefit for these casual, modest players.

Ironically, I bet these modest players are the least concerned about this ecto issue one way or the other.

Mordakai · Apr 26, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

Ironically, I bet these modest players are the least concerned about this ecto issue one way or the other.

You're probably right. I could care less about Ectos. Which I guess is why I don't understand all the fretting.

So, why would Anet change this? More reason to think it won't change...

Zura · Apr 26, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

ATM FoW armour is the only real way to show what you've achieved in GW:P, but like it’s previously been said this hasn’t been confirmed and even if it is its likely drops will be made quite limited. Also if you do play allot more than socially acceptable you can remember that Anet are bringing in a PvE rating system of some sort, so you can still show how skilled you are even if you don’t want to farm the same area over a few times. Lastly if you're worried about your armour no longer be unique you’ve got to remember that there’s a load more armours coming out and the old ones may well have new looks, there mar also be a Factions version of FoW armour and lastly these are planned to be 6th month games so I can only assumed there will be new look armour with each possibly with there own FoW types. This means there will be endless ways to make you charter look different and after a couple more GW are realised FoW armour will be back to as rare as it was...
Well that’s my thought of the day!

hunter · Apr 26, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

wow, first they made green items with max stats that drop like rain, now they make it posible for any joe shmoe to get fissure armor.

good job anet, keep messing things up

Get over yourself hotshot, ebaying your FoW armor doesn't make you special. Neither does staying in front of your comp for 24/7

Mordakai · Apr 26, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

At the risk of taking this off topic, I'd like to discuss the "whys" of FoW armor and rare weapons and runes.

I personally don't get it. I understand some people like "grind". But, there are plenty of other games where you can grind all day to not only get uber weapons, but get uber levels as well. So, why would "those" people choose Guild Wars?

Second, why does Anet encourage it? If anything, it costs them more than they will make having a few players hogging their servers 24/7 to get Ectos for FoW armor. It's not like Anet's getting paid by the hour. They get paid by copies of Chapters sold, which to me, means they would stick to their mission statement "More Skill, less Grind" to attract mass people. Anet shouldn't need Elitists to have a successful product. And by catering to "those people", isn't Anet turning against their base, the "casual" player?

Now, I understand Sup Runes of Vigor and rare Golds don't unbalance the game. I'm reconciled to the fact that I don't need them (good thing, too). But, just in terms of the business model, I have to wonder: Why keep them rare? What's the point?

As for FoW armor being a "reward" for "conquering" PvE. No, it's just a reward for Farming. A reward for PvE players would be a unique armor set for finishing every quest in the game (the Title of 1,000 quests is a good example, too).

Here's an interesting question: Would there be less or more FoW armor out there if it was a reward for completing every quest? I have no idea, but I would guess, less. Cause you can't Ebay Missions (except by buying accounts, which would only transfer FoW armor, not generate new ones).

Exoudeous · Apr 26, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by hunter

Get over yourself hotshot, ebaying your FoW armor doesn't make you special. Neither does staying in front of your comp for 24/7

Nice job reading there kiddo, cause I said its even more bull crap to point fingers right away and say people eBay.

And I also said I only play 3 nights a week.

Time to work on your reading comprehension

Loralai · Apr 26, 2006, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by hunter

Get over yourself hotshot, ebaying your FoW armor doesn't make you special. Neither does staying in front of your comp for 24/7

It really gets old seeing things like this on the forums, as well as in game. I purchased GW upon release, completed everything with 8+ characters, through 2 accounts, deletions and reintroductions. I finally splurged and got FOW armor for one character a couple weeks ago, (after almost a year of play), and now find my ignore list in game growing on a daily basis from people just like you, who like to taunt and assume. Please don't make assumptions and generalizations that are completely unfounded.

Chadatog · Apr 26, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Why is everyone freaking out about this. We don't even know what the salvage rate from those items will be for the crafting materials (which i'm guessing is going to be a rather small chance). It's not like it's gonna be like getting wooden planks from raven staffs

Mordakai · Apr 26, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Loralai

I finally splurged and got FOW armor for one character a couple weeks ago, (after almost a year of play), and now find my ignore list in game growing on a daily basis from people just like you, who like to taunt and assume. Please don't make assumptions and generalizations that are completely unfounded.

Another reason not to get it!

Exoudeous · Apr 26, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

At the risk of taking the off topic, I'd like to discuss the "whys" of FoW armor and rare weapons and runes.

I personally don't get it. I understand some people like "grind". But, there are plenty of other games where you can grind all day to not only get uber weapons, but get uber levels as well. So, why would "those" people choose Guild Wars?

Second, why does Anet encourage it? If anything, it costs them more than they will make having a few players hogging their servers 24/7 to get Ectos for FoW armor. It's not like Anet's getting paid by the hour. They get paid by copies of Chapters sold, which to me, means they would stick to their mission statement "More Skill, less Grind" to attract mass people. Anet shouldn't need Elitists to have a successful product. And by catering to "those people", isn't Anet turning against their base, the "casual" player?

Now, I understand Sup Runes of Vigor and rare Golds don't unbalance the game. I'm reconciled to the fact that I don't need them (good thing, too). But, just in terms of the business model, I have to wonder: Why keep them rare? What's the point?

maybe because once there is nothing left to do in the game people quit. and seeing as how anet wants you to stay and buy all the expansions, they need to keep the players happy.

Im not agaisnt the little guy, there is stuff that needs to be improved for them too, every one deserves the right to play, and have the game fun for them. It doesnt matter if you dont "get" my idea of fun, because you are not me. Its the same thing as people dont get that some people like to pvr only, or pvp only.

My big problem is, if anet starts making rare stuff easier to get, I have less reason to play the game. This is why Im also selective in what games I buy, if the game isnt long and doesnt offer alot to get and do after the main game, then I get bored and stop.

Also, because I dont want to play a game excesively, thats why i dont play a mmo. and the way mmos are structurd, the "uber" items almost become requird by the end of the game, or you are useless. In guild wars, the uber items only look diffrent.

You arnt making any sense by saying this game is for casual players. Im pretty sure online rpgs arnt the "hip" games that all the casual players are on. As fo the Skill vs grind, that even implys that the more hardcore is what the game is for, cause casual players cant compete equally with people that are way better and play more games.

Exoudeous · Apr 26, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Another reason not to get it!

yah good logic, if idiots are going to sit an mock you, just go with the crowd and dont do want you want to.

you should be a guidance counselor at some highschool

GunnerMan1 · Apr 26, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Well this is not really "news." Ecto can already be salavged from Dark Remains and Residue. But dont go buying it all up as it is about 1/10000 chance it will salavge to ecto. I know a number of people who have done it so it is true. Also rubies have ben dropped ( very rare) outside of places like ToA. I dont think the salaavge rate in factions will be much improved...if so Anet as pissed off a lot of people that spent HUNDREDS of hours saving for fissure and people that have a lot of their gold in ecto instead of gold.

Mordakai · Apr 26, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

First, thanks for your response. I hope we'll get a good discussion from this, and understand each other a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

maybe because once there is nothing left to do in the game people quit. and seeing as how anet wants you to stay and buy all the expansions, they need to keep the players happy.

And these people who quit, they won't come back and buy the new expansion to get new stuff, and try new professions? Again, from a pure business point, Anet does not need constant players. All they need is for people to buy a new Chapter every 6 months. Now, maybe I've misjudged, and the grinders are a bigger part of GW than I thought. I've been wrong before!

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

My big problem is, if anet starts making rare stuff easier to get, I have less reason to play the game. This is why Im also selective in what games I buy, if the game isnt long and doesnt offer alot to get and do after the main game, then I get bored and stop.

Also, because I dont want to play a game excesively, thats why i dont play a mmo. and the way mmos are structurd, the "uber" items almost become requird by the end of the game, or you are useless. In guild wars, the uber items only look diffrent.

Hmmm, not trying to flame, but asking a serious question: Don't you think that FoW armor and farming runes is just another way of playing "excessively"? Also, while I admit the differences between "uber" items and collector items are slight, it is not "skin only." There are slight advantages to rare Golds.

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

You arnt making any sense by saying this game is for casual players. Im pretty sure online rpgs arnt the "hip" games that all the casual players are on. As fo the Skill vs grind, that even implys that the more hardcore is what the game is for, cause casual players cant compete equally with people that are way better and play more games.

I believe most people who play GW are casual. By casual, I mean they play a few hours a week. The nature of GW, with no monthly fee, level cap, and ways to get collector items and armor easily tends to attract the casual player.

Maybe Casual players can't compete in serious PvP like a Guild who trains a lot, but frankly, this is a PvE discussion, where any difference in skill is pretty small. Or, do you think you need to be especially skilled to farm ectos or runes? I don't. It just takes time, time I don't have.

Exoudeous · Apr 26, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

and you are still not reading how I only play a few nights a week.

in the time since I bought lat launch, Ive gotten enough for ectos and shards, and thats not farming excesivly, I have way more fun doing guild parties in the high level areas and in missions. I dont like farming and I only do it if I need to go buy skills.

Again you are making assumtions, like everyone else that is shouting Ebay this, or elite that. Thats not what I am about. I am about being able to acheive something in the game, and for it to mean something, if every person can do it or have it, then its bores me. Like I said, you dont have to understand that, just like I dont have to understand how you have fun, whats important is that everyone gets what they want out of the game for the most part.

Sir Mad · Apr 26, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

I think some people need to understand that the main reason why FoW armor is wanted is because it's rare. Give it to everybody, it will no longer be (rare, and therefore wanted I mean). Just look at droks armors. Some of them objectively have a better look than 15k armors. However, who wants them?

On a side-note I'm pretty surprised by the comments FoW wearers get in-game about ebaying and such! I never had this problem!

EDIT - And by the way, for those who still think that ebaying is the only way to get a FoW armor, let me tell you something: I get 2/3 shards in a 50 mins solo run with my ranger, plus 4k in gold and stuff to sell. An average of 3.5 shards per run then. Use a calculator: to get the 105 shards needed to get FoW, that's 25 hours of gameplay (of course it will be more since you need time to eventually buy shards with the extra gold gotten, breaks, etc). Is it that hard? And is it that hard to get 150 more to buy your ectos or farm UW to get them? Pretending FoWers have to be ebayers is just showing his ignorance.

Mordakai · Apr 26, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

and you are still not reading how I only play a few nights a week.

in the time since I bought lat launch, Ive gotten enough for ectos and shards, and thats not farming excesivly, I have way more fun doing guild parties in the high level areas and in missions. I dont like farming and I only do it if I need to go buy skills.

Again you are making assumtions, like everyone else that is shouting Ebay this, or elite that. Thats not what I am about. I am about being able to acheive something in the game, and for it to mean something, if every person can do it or have it, then its bores me. Like I said, you dont have to understand that, just like I dont have to understand how you have fun, whats important is that everyone gets what they want out of the game for the most part.

Agreed with that. Sorry to misjudge you! I guess FoW armor is easier to get than I thought!

EDIT: Why do you farm to get skills? 1,000 gold should be no problem for someone who has FoW armor...

another EDIT: How many hours would you guess it took you to get FoW armor?

Exoudeous · Apr 26, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

not really easy, its just after a year of playing and raking up gold and rare items. for the most part, i never really use gold except for when I need to buy skills, ive only bought droks armor, cuse i dont think 15k looks much better, and ive found all my gold/green weapons myself.

Edit: because I dont like taking out of my storage for other things I want to get, when I want a cap sig, I just do 1 quick run or so, and then I have enough. Like I said, I dont really like farming.

Well99 · Apr 27, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

The game is for anyone who buys it.It doesnt matter if your casual or hardcore.If you like 15k or FOW or dont.As far as being a reward I dont agree.
If there is a reward it should go to the people that dont bail on you in a game or dont go AFK.
No way to keep count but those folks should get the reward.
I dont know who taunts those that have FOW because it doesnt really matter if you have it or not.It doesnt impress me or cause me to dislike someone because of it.Thats your fun.More power to you.If you feel you had to work hard to get ...that seems to me to be the problem.I buy games to have fun....oh well...

Note:I farm but it is the discovery that I enjoy....